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Interview with Jeff Immelt on GE's Dividend

GE's Chairman and CEO talks about why the company decided to cut the dividend and how this gives GE more financial flexibility.

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[Good afternoon. ]

[My name is Russell Wilkerson. ]

[I'm Director of Financial Communications for GE.]

[I'm here today with our Chairman and CEO Jeff Immelt. ]

[And, Jeff, I thought what we'd do today is just kind of cover the announcement on Friday--]

[just a little bit of the context--and maybe you can share with us ]

[some of your decision-making in that process. ]

[Maybe we can just start off with the first question.]

[Can you tell us what the board decided on Friday?]

[Yeah, Russ, we had announced last year that the board had approved]

[management's plan to have a quarterly ]

[dividend of 31 cents a share, which was even between 2008 and 2009. ]

[What we decided on Friday is to cut]

[that dividend from 31 cents per share per quarter]

[to 10 cents per share per quarter]

[starting in the second half of this year.]

[So investors will get the 31-cent dividend in the second quarter,]

[but at the beginning of the third quarter it will be ]

[10 cents a share for the second half of the year. ]

[[R.W.] Jeff, February 6, ]

[you declared the second quarter dividend and]

[you said you'd evaluate the second half of the year.]

[Can you tell us a little bit about what changed from February 6, until Friday?]

[[J.I.] Sure. ]

[[R.W.] And then, just what you might do with the proceeds?]

[Sure, Russ, everybody understands]

[that we're living in just extraordinary, ]

[fast-paced times, so that the world]

[is very tough, the environment is very volatile,]

[and so the company has to continue to react in that world. ]

[The company remains strongly profitable. ]

[Our cashflow remains very strong,]

[even in a very difficult environment. ]

[But the board and the February 6, board meeting really]

[went through the process and said that we really should evaluate]

[capital allocation, particularly the dividend,]

[and they chartered management to do a study]

[over a specific time period. ]

[We completed that study, and we had a board meeting]

[on Friday to review our recommendations, and our recommendation]

[was to make the move from 31 cents to 10 cents a share. ]

[I think once management and the board reach that conclusion, ]

[we really owe it to our investors to be transparent and]

[to make that announcement, and that's what we did Friday afternoon. ]

[It really went after a long study of what the government's ]

[doing, what's going on in the environment, things like that,]

[then we took this appropriate action, I believe. ]

[[R.W.] Sure. How much will this save the company, or]

[give us funds, and how will it help the company going forward?]

[So, this will save roughly 9 billion dollars a year--]

[about 2.2 billion dollars each quarter. ]

[And what it does, it just allows us to have]

[more discretionary capital that we can use]

[to play defense, to put more capital inside GE Capital]

[to further strengthen its balance sheet just like we did]

[with the equity raise, and just like we've been doing ]

[over the past 6 months.]

[Potentially, at some point, it gives us the opportunity to play some offense should the ]

[environment get better. ]

[But the primary objective is to be safe, ]

[and we think this just creates a greater buffer ]

[of safety for our investors. ]

[Jeff, can you give us--tough year right now.]

[Everybody's going through a tough time.]

[The environment is extremely challenging. ]

[Can you share with us a little perspective on the company's historical perfomance, ]

[and maybe, as we look at the dividend, our]

[historical payout--what our record has been?]

[You know, Russ, I think--and this is something we bring out in the annual report--]

[if you track the company starting in the 1970s, ]

[and track it by decade--the cumulative]

[earnings in each decade and the cumulative dividend]

[paid in each decade--if you start in the 1970s, we earned]

[cumulatively 8 billion dollars.]

[We paid out about 4 billion dollars in dividend in the decade of the '70s. ]

[In the decade of the '80s, we earned about]

[25 billion dollars cumulatively.]

[We paid out about 12 or 13 billion dollars over the decade of the '80s. ]

[In the decade of the '90s, we earned about 65 billion dollars,]

[in that decade. ]

[We paid out a dividend somewhat in excess of 30 billion dollars, in that decade. ]

[In this decade, including our projections for 2009, ]

[the company will earn 170 billion dollars cumulatively, ]

[in this decade, and will pay out a dividend,]

[cumulatively, throughout the decade of about 90 billion dollars. ]

[So this is a company that over]

[the last 40 years has really performed in each time period. ]

[We've continued to return money back to investors]

[in the form of a dividend. ]

[And so that's the context I'd like investors to have]

[when they think about the dividend, when they think about what the company]

[stands for and how we're positioned]

[and how we will position ourselves for future growth. ]

[Tough decision.]

[How did you decide to go to 10 cents?]

[Most people thought maybe half.]

[Why 10 cents? Why is that the magic number?]

[Did you consider taking it to zero?]

[This is a tough decision .]

[All of us know the legacy of GE, and all of us want to be very]

[responsive, particularly to our retail investors, and continue this dividend. ]

[This is an important and momentous decision]

[that we made.]

[What we wanted to do is get to a point on which]

[we could grow, that still provided our investors]

[with what we viewed to be a good dividend yield,]

[and provided ample capital for the company]

[to strengthen, again, our balance sheet, ]

[to play safe, and to have the ]

[opportunity to play offense should the opportunity present itself. ]

[[R.W.] Jeff, you said you have the cash]

[to pay the dividend. ]

[The announcement comes out last Friday that you're going to reduce the dividend.]

[Do you still have the cash?]

[Our industrial cashflow remains strong. ]

[We continue to model the business even in this tough environment. ]

[We would have sufficient cash to pay]

[the previous dividend. ]

[We just didn't think it was the smartest thing to do on behalf of our investors]

[at a time period with all this financial]

[turmoil, economic crisis. ]

[We just feel like this is the best move to make at this time,]

[and that's why we went forward with it. ]

[[R.W.] You've talked a lot about making the company more safe and secure, ]

[starting in the fall, a lot of steps you've taken.]

[Can you share with us a little bit more what that means, and maybe just review ]

[for the audience the steps you've taken and the leadership you've demonstrated?]

[So, I would say, since the crisis began in the middle of September,]

[we have reduced leverage in GE Capital.]

[We have put more capital in GE Capital. ]

[The equity raise we did in the fall, that's]

[where that capital went, into strengthening the balance sheet. ]

[We've reduced our commercial paper. ]

[We've improved our liquidity. ]

[We've raised about 65 percent of the debt funding we're going to need for 2009. ]

[Our commercial paper is likely below 60 billion,]

[on it's way to our 50 billion target for the year. ]

[So, we've strengthened the balance sheet, we've improved our liquidity, ]

[we've increased our reserve for losses, ]

[we've got more cash on hand, we've probably got close to 50 billion ]

[dollars cash on hand as we're running the company today. ]

[The annual report comes out tomorrow.]

[You have a letter to share owners.]

[Can you give us a little bit of a preview on what that letter says and what]

[you're saying about the company right now?]

[We're reflecting on the environment, the crazy 2008 we]

[all lived through.]

[I think we reflect on some things we learned, some things we]

[would have done differently had we had it to do over again in 2008. ]

[And then we really talk about how we're playing defense, ]

[how we're keeping the company safe in this environment, and, ]

[as importantly, how we're playing offense, how our infrastructure and]

[media businesses are positioned to play offense and some ]

[real cyclical advantages we think we have in services]

[and with some of the government stimulus projects.]

[We talk about the long-term strategy for GE Capital,]

[which is to really shrink the business]

[and generate more around the GE core.]

[We talk about driving the long-term strategy around]

[innovation and globalization and services and financial strength. ]

[And then we just reflect on what we learned and how this will be a ]

[better company as we go through this cycle. ]

[So I think it's an open, transparent, honest document]

[that our investors can really relate to]

[and hopefully build their trust and faith in GE. ]

[[R.W.] That's great. ]

[You purchased 50,000 shares in the open market today. ]

[Can you share with us your rationale, or what you see,]

[or what might be a benefit to shareholders out there?]

[Look, I'm a long-term buyer of the stock. ]

[I think the value today is exceptional. ]

[It's too good in some ways. ]

[Even with reduced dividend, I think the dividend payout is still very attractive. ]

[And the management team, myself included, is fully committed]

[to this company, to getting through this very difficult time.]

[This is one of the ways that I can say to investors ]

[that I'm all in, that we're kind of shoulder-to-shoulder with you,]

[and that we're executing a plan that's going to make this company better]

[through this cycle. ]

[We know it's tough today. ]

[We know it's tough to look at the Dow and the stock prices going down, and things like that, ]

[but management is in there with investors. ]

[[R.W.] In closing Jeff, what would you say to, either the retail investor, or the ]

[institutional investor who is sitting by?]

[There's lots going on with the company, a lot of changes, extreme volatility in the market. ]

[What's the reason to buy GE?]

[What would you say--?]

[Look, I think we've got fantastic industrial businesses]

[and infrastructure in media that are long-term,]

[market-leadership-type businesses. ]

[Our financial service earnings--the company has gone ]

[from being worth probably 150 or 200 billion dollars]

[10 years ago to zero, or maybe less]

[than zero today. ]

[Look, we've worked this, we've studied it, we]

[think we've taken appropriate action to strengthen this business,]

[to strengthen the reserves, and this is a franchise that's valuable. ]

[And right now, investors discount everything about ]

[financial services to a significant degree.]

[I just don't think it's appropriate with our financial service business. ]

[I think it's been hit too hard in this cycle, and ]

[the business is in much better shape than the world knows today. ]

[And that's where the upside is. ]

[Thank you for your time. ]